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Dios, los mormones y el fanatismo religioso ⚣ Jon Krakauer s literary reputation rests on insightful chronicles of lives conducted at the outer limits He now shifts his focus from extremes of physical adventure to extremes of religious belief within our own borders, taking readers inside isolated American communities where some , Mormon Fundamentalists still practice polygamy Defying both civil authorities and the Mormon establishment in Salt Lake City, the renegade leaders of these Taliban like theocracies are zealots who answer only to GodAt the core of Krakauer s book are brothers Ron and Dan Lafferty, who insist they received a commandment from God to kill a blameless woman and her baby girl Beginning with a meticulously researched account of this appalling double murder, Krakauer constructs a multi layered, bone chilling narrative of messianic delusion, polygamy, savage violence, and unyielding faith Along the way he uncovers a shadowy offshoot of America s fastest growing religion, and raises provocative questions about the nature of religious belief To Kill a Nudist-Book III of the Nudist Series los mormones y el fanatismo religioso ⚣ Jon Krakauer s literary reputation rests on insightful chronicles of lives conducted at the outer limits He now shifts his focus from extremes of physical adventure to extremes of religious belief within our own borders Adkar taking readers inside isolated American communities where some Joe Smith (Jobless in January, Mormon Fundamentalists still practice polygamy Defying both civil authorities and the Mormon establishment in Salt Lake City Cruel Enchantment (Dark Magick, the renegade leaders of these Taliban like theocracies are zealots who answer only to GodAt the core of Krakauer s book are brothers Ron and Dan Lafferty My Cherished Enemy who insist they received a commandment from God to kill a blameless woman and her baby girl Beginning with a meticulously researched account of this appalling double murder The Scholomance Krakauer constructs a multi layered Hairy Charlie and the Frog bone chilling narrative of messianic delusion Game Time polygamy Nowhere Girl (Dolly Fiction, savage violence Porned Out and unyielding faith Along the way he uncovers a shadowy offshoot of America s fastest growing religion Hell Has Harbour Views and raises provocative questions about the nature of religious belief I really enjoyed Into Thin Air, but now I wonder if it is poorly done as this book was As a Mormon I was amazed at Krakauer s complete naivete that he s trying to pass off as expertise and a well researched book I d be scared of Mormonism too if I read this and didn t know better The logic leaps he makes are simply massive For a story about the Lafferty s, this is a nicely told yarn For understanding its extrapolation into a story about Mormonism it is foolishness at its finest. I don t know where to start with this book I couldn t put it down It was enthralling A quick note about Krakauer this was the first book I ve read by him and I was duly impressed with his story telling ability and his writing style I will definitely add his other books to my reading list.Now for the book holy shit Like most people I didn t know much about Mormons beyond the basics And let it be known right off the bat that I am a devout atheist who thinks all religions are a load of I don t know where to start with this book I couldn t put it down It was enthralling A quick note about Krakauer this was the first book I ve read by him and I was duly impressed with his story telling ability and his writing style I will definitely add his other books to my reading list.Now for the book holy shit Like most people I didn t know much about Mormons beyond the basics And let it be known right off the bat that I am a devout atheist who thinks all religions are a load of bull I can certainly understand after reading this book why the church thinks this book was a hatchet job on the religion All that said, the LDS church is some scary shit Certainly Krakauer doesn t mean to say that all Mormons are dangerous, pedophiles, rapists and killers just the fundamentalist ones and history proves this point When he asks one of the main subjects of the book, a man who is serving a life sentence for the brutal slayings of a woman and her 18 month old child, about comparisons to other fundamentalist groups and Osama bin Laden in particular the man claims the difference is that he is right How s that for arrogance Again, I think all religions are crap, but Mormonism was basically a nutty story pulled out of Joseph Smith s ass less than 200 year s ago Krakauer does a great job of weaving the story of the beginnings of the LDS church with modern day stories of fundamentalism It s easy to see why there are fundamentalist LDS sects today when you follow the history of the religion I think what makes it so scary for me is the devotion to Smith and his ridiculous story told in the Book of Mormon that flies in the face of fact and common sense Though the Mormon story is not much stranger than other major religious stories, it certainly is a stretch even by the standards of faith.But the book is not really about the mainstream LDS church and I certainly don t mean to ridicule these people at least not anythan other religious people who deny history and scientific fact the book really shows us about what happens when people follow a religion to its logical conclusion in an extreme sense The fundamentalists differ from the mainstream in that they are so devout they take every word as truth and that means damn everyone else in the world literally What makes the LDS fundamentalists so interesting to me is their devotion to one particular tenent of the religion plural marriage The fundamentalists are so caught up in their right to have multiple wives that they are willing to die and kill for it I personally think if you wantthan one wife and you can get several women to agree good for you Enjoy Have a freakin orgy if you want And that would be fine if not for one thing the men in this community do this by force and do it with underage women and in some cases their own daughters That s criminal.Living so close to Colorado City means I get plenty of news about what s going on up there, and lately we ve read a lot about Warren Jeffs who in my mind is a dangerous criminal But at least now I have some context for why he and the other fundamentalists are how they are Frankly, I think it s less about religion than it is about power and greed Anyway, what an amazing book Especially given the fact that some experts think the LDS religion will reach upwards of 300 million members by the end of this century and after almost 200 years of fighting the American government they are potentially one election away from assuming the ultimate power of having the U.S presidency Don t think Mitt Romney will let his religion influence his decision making Just see George W Bush for precedent Not much difference in my mind between LDS fundamentalism and Christian fundamentalism Not to say Mitt is a fundamentalist but what do we really know about his devotion to Joseph Smith s crazy story of the coming of the end of times This is a hard book for me to review given that I have quite a few Mormon friends and that although my own philosophy leanstowards existentialism than anything else, I feel it s differents strokes for different folks I am led inescapably by this book to view Mormonism as a cult that has changed and adapted as was expedient given the various political currents ebbing and waning.I ve seen, here in the West Indies, how a cult can gain both the practice and the legitimacy of an established re This is a hard book for me to review given that I have quite a few Mormon friends and that although my own philosophy leanstowards existentialism than anything else, I feel it s differents strokes for different folks I am led inescapably by this book to view Mormonism as a cult that has changed and adapted as was expedient given the various political currents ebbing and waning.I ve seen, here in the West Indies, how a cult can gain both the practice and the legitimacy of an established religion within a few generations There are two routes to this The first is the government is willing to recognise it and allow it tax exempt status in which case it becomes part of the establishment The second is that it becomes an issue of political correctness and people and the media must appear to pay the cult at least the lip service of respect whether or not it deserves it I m talking about Rastafarianism of course And I ve read it here in this book as a cult developed into what would become the FLDS still a cult and the mainstream Mormons.With Rastafarians, the first generation that had major public visibility, was reggae, Bob Marley The second generation were the rastas with their locks that were making records, and many of my friends The third generation are the grandchildren, my friends children brought up in the religion The fourth are the very young, the great grandchildren In the first generation, the founder either seeks influence and power as with Mormonism, or is deified, Haile Selassie in Rastafarianism In the second generation the founding truths and myths and the legends surrounding the founders or the deified one have coalesced into a body of oral and written literature that will form the holy books This will become the work of sacred reference that will be consulted when laws are changed or introduced and which will be used when moral laws are decided As an aside in all cults and religions it seems to be that men will use the holy books to justify their treatment of women There are no established religions that have been created by women, the development and administration of religion is a man s game In the third generation, the grandchildren are in the same situation as the children of people belonging to religions thousands of years old they do not remember a time, nor do their parents when they and their families were not believers and theirs is a history and established pattern of worship and traditions to draw upon.When the religion is still a cult, the goverment and courts will not allow the teachings of that cult to be a defence for crimes committed There is much of this, including a truly unholy massacre in this book But once the cult has the weight of an established religion, then the religion becomes a legitimate defence to crime, the crime has been committed Under the Banner of Heaven.As with all Karakauer books, its very well written in quite a journalistic style and is well worth a read even if you totally disagree with my interpretation of it.read originally 2008, reviewed 2015 review rewritten 3 March 2020 I read this book for the book club at my local library Afterwards, I felt indignant, confused, intrigued, and disgusted about all forms of faith So, I sincerely hoped that a Saint or two would show up at the book club meeting, to nullify my extremely negative view of the church Alas, no LDS believers showed, so I am left to my own conclusions about the book and faith in general Here are some of my conclusions and questions after reading this sprawling, fascinating account of the history of p I read this book for the book club at my local library Afterwards, I felt indignant, confused, intrigued, and disgusted about all forms of faith So, I sincerely hoped that a Saint or two would show up at the book club meeting, to nullify my extremely negative view of the church Alas, no LDS believers showed, so I am left to my own conclusions about the book and faith in general Here are some of my conclusions and questions after reading this sprawling, fascinating account of the history of polygamy and violence within the Church of Later Day Saints There is a certain appeal to having no choices Sometimes religion is comforting because obedience to a provided list of rules removes personal responsibility Strict adherence to a religion removes personal doubt When you believe so fully in a church, you are no longer forced to question your own actions after all, if you carefully follow the directions of your spiritual leaders, you will gain your own paradise, regardless of what your personal conscious says about right or wrong This leads me into my next point I will never be a Mormon, for many reasons First, in the Mormon faith, if you realize the highest echelon of Mormonism, you will get your own planet to run after you die If you re a man, that is If you re a woman, you can join your man on his planet if he invites you No, no, no Please I deserve my own planet Wives and children are property, at least in the fundamentalists sects of Mormonism I am a person, an event, not chattel Second, remind me to never join a religion that condones killing See blood atonement, as typified in the Mountain Meadows Massacre Third, I don t want to be a believer in a faith that tells me I have to earn love least of all, God s We are all holy, I think We all have goodness and grace within us, no matter how many veils of earthly existence have descended Finally, I will never follow a religion that doesn t encourage me to question everything Information and education are my life blood I must be able to use my brain to get closer to God Otherwise, why the heck would s he give it to me So, now that we have the comments specific to the Mormon faith out of the way, let s move on to the questions about faith in general I heartily recommend this book to anyone who is going through a personal crisis It will boil your blood and make you think Whatcould you want Here are my questions 1 Why does listening to the divine in each of us produce such different results It can lead to peace and pacifism, or killing Who is speaking God, or ego 2 Is all fundementalism mired in violence, or do certain faiths promote it 3 Does God always speak in King James English It seems so, according to the Book of Mormon 4 Would all religions seem this crazy if we were only 200 years out, and had intimate, dirty details of each guru s life 5 Is there anything inherently wrong with polygamy Do we have a gene for monogomy I don t care, as long as no one gets hurt And marrying 13 year olds, sometimes when they re your own daughter, is inherently hurtful 6 Is faith the opposite of reason Is education the cure for religion 7 Is religion a distraction from the humdrum of our everyday lives Opposite of Buddhism Ok, y all, sorry about the long review But seriously, read the book It s excellently chilling, and will keep you up late at night writing your comments furiously on post it notes At least, that s what it did to me